In Chapter 13 of 19 in his 2011 Capture Your Flag interview with host Erik Michielsen, charter school executive Andrew Epstein shares what defines fiduciary responsibility working in nonprofit, specifically in a New York City public charter school. He contrasts this experience and responsibility with for-profit responsibility, referencing his work at Island Def Jam records. Epstein is currently Senior Director for Finance at Democracy Prep Public Schools in New York City. Previously, he was a finance executive at Universal Music Group's Island Def Jam Records and, previous to that, a schoolteacher in the Teach for America Corps program. He holds a BA from the University of Michigan and an MBA from Columbia Business School.